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let's solve this. >>> back in 2009 and 2010, republican protests against president obama's supposedly socialist kenyan secret muslim agenda were touted as grass roots events. most of them r were not grass roots events. most of them were organized by groups by freedom works, which grew out of a conservative advocacy organization that was founded and funded by the billionaire koch brothers. the front man was a congressman from texas. he was the house majority leader for the republican party, which is not a grass rootsy thing. but none of this is. today david korn had a scoop about the fake grass roots part of republican party politics. "mother jones" published an e-mail in which dick army quit. he then told "mother jones", the top management team of freedom works was taking a direction i thought was unproductive and thought it was time to move on with my life. don't know exactly why dick army and freedom works broke up, but there's discord at the conservative level. actually there's a lot going on. more on that ahead. stay with us. a cup of joe is a sedan. a cup of johan is a 600 horsep
let's solve this. >>> back in 2009 and 2010, republican protests against president obama's supposedly socialist kenyan secret muslim agenda were touted as grass roots events. most of them r were not grass roots events. most of them were organized by groups by freedom works, which grew out of a conservative advocacy organization that was founded and funded by the billionaire koch brothers. the front man was a congressman from texas. he was the house majority leader for the republican...
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republicans are doing a lot of maneuvering on the fiscal cliff. president obama and the democrats have put forward a plan relying mostly on raising more revenue from the wealthiest 2% of the country. republicans rely mostly on draconian cuts affecting the middle class and the poor and republicans aren't specific about how they get $800 billion in revenue. for the conversation, let's turn to richard wolffe, msnbc political analyst and vice president and executive director of msnbc.com. and molly ball, political reporter for "the atlantic." the republican proposal includes ryan's voucher program for medicare. we're not even a month away from the election and they are throwing up on the wall everything that was rejected. why are they doing this? >> well, i can tell you why they think they have a mandate. they are throwing insults at each other and that means they are engaging. they may be way apart in terms of the lessons learned. think -- they clearly don't seem to have learned very many from this election. but house republicans have put in their in
republicans are doing a lot of maneuvering on the fiscal cliff. president obama and the democrats have put forward a plan relying mostly on raising more revenue from the wealthiest 2% of the country. republicans rely mostly on draconian cuts affecting the middle class and the poor and republicans aren't specific about how they get $800 billion in revenue. for the conversation, let's turn to richard wolffe, msnbc political analyst and vice president and executive director of msnbc.com. and molly...
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so the obama administration is so far out there, that what the republicans are doing is pointing out how reasonable they are, taking bowles' idea, i see he's playing democrat partisan today -- >> part of that is actually putting revenue on the table which speaker boehner has said multiple times he's open to doing, that includes closing loopholes and ending deductions. not words that are political kryptoni kryptonite. for the republican party that has stoked the eyre on the ends of the spectrum including erick erickson they said this the gop selling out. do you agree with that or not? >> not at this point. we were in this point two years ago when the same things were discussed with obama during the debt ceiling increase and at the end of the day, we ended up with $2.5 trillion in spending savings and not a dollar of tax increase. why? because obama overplayed his hand. he's doing it again. just as he did in 2008. he thought the country had given him a blank sheet of paper to work on. he did the stimulus spending. he went from 70% support down to below 50% and lost the house. now he ge
so the obama administration is so far out there, that what the republicans are doing is pointing out how reasonable they are, taking bowles' idea, i see he's playing democrat partisan today -- >> part of that is actually putting revenue on the table which speaker boehner has said multiple times he's open to doing, that includes closing loopholes and ending deductions. not words that are political kryptoni kryptonite. for the republican party that has stoked the eyre on the ends of the...
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but a top obama aide yesterday told chuck todd that if the republicans -- if these republicans were in power when abraham lincoln were there, there would still be slavery. does that help the process move along? or does it hurt? i don't really know -- >> reading between the lines. >> i know one direction, i know boy bands. >> reading between the lines, that's probably a bad omen. we do have four weeks, though. >> that's bad. >> absolutely. we have, i believe, we have 27 negotiating days. until the year end. >> there is a rule in life. >> what is that rule? >> i think that slavery analogies and hitler jokes never work out well. >> you don't do that. >> never end well. >> usually they have a bad, you know -- >> but if you're a reporter covering this story now, you don't need to sort of badger people at the white house or on the hill for negative stuff on the other side. they're reaching out to blast, and, again, maybe it'll all settle out in the end, but -- >> who's they? >> people at the white house and republicans on the hill. they're looking for opportunities to blast the other side. >
but a top obama aide yesterday told chuck todd that if the republicans -- if these republicans were in power when abraham lincoln were there, there would still be slavery. does that help the process move along? or does it hurt? i don't really know -- >> reading between the lines. >> i know one direction, i know boy bands. >> reading between the lines, that's probably a bad omen. we do have four weeks, though. >> that's bad. >> absolutely. we have, i believe, we...
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. >> i think this time around, obama learned from his past mistakes and importantly, advantage that if he does nothing he's in better shape than republicans oor professor cane says congressional republicans holding middle class cuts hostage in order to force the president's hand. the problem is the g.o.p. cannot afford to carry out that threat and they're blamed for raising everyone's taxes in order to protect the rich and put republican party in a dark hole. >> mark, thank you. >> on wall street today, stock prices fell on concern the deficit deadlock here is hurting the economy. dow jones lost nearly 60 points. nasdaq slid eight points and s and p 500 lost about seven today. >> republicans in california are worried about the possibility of taxes going up because there aren't enough of them in sacramento to block it. lawmakers ushered in a new era today at the capitol. and nannette mirror rand wra reports democrats now hold all of the power. >> please raise your right hands, repeat after me. >> it begins with a reshaped legislature. giving them authorities to raise tax was out republi
. >> i think this time around, obama learned from his past mistakes and importantly, advantage that if he does nothing he's in better shape than republicans oor professor cane says congressional republicans holding middle class cuts hostage in order to force the president's hand. the problem is the g.o.p. cannot afford to carry out that threat and they're blamed for raising everyone's taxes in order to protect the rich and put republican party in a dark hole. >> mark, thank you....
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in charge or obama basically of the republicans are just as bad as far as we're concerned they're corrupt and are out of touch. in southern former confederate states like north carolina culture and social issues play a big role for those like harold cruz who believes the u.s. is too big and thus destined to fail north carolina and the south in general. were different country already and the united states and we simply need our own government we have different values different belief systems critics have dismissed secessionists as disgruntled voters angry over president obama's second term however in this year thousand a presidential election obama became the first democrat in more than thirty years to win north carolina a red state turned blue with the promise of change four years later tens of thousands of voters in the very same state believe they'd be better off on their own us the average american the things they believe in they're tired of the endless wars and here we are talking about invading iran now i can't think of anything more evil the white house meanwhile promises to review
in charge or obama basically of the republicans are just as bad as far as we're concerned they're corrupt and are out of touch. in southern former confederate states like north carolina culture and social issues play a big role for those like harold cruz who believes the u.s. is too big and thus destined to fail north carolina and the south in general. were different country already and the united states and we simply need our own government we have different values different belief systems...
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republicans have put forward budgets, voted for them, willing to be held accountable. democrats have not. president obama has not. >> you won't vote for them. >> nor have any democrats. >> democrats have voted for those budgets and supported those budgets. >> zero to 610 is the vote total of the last three votes on his last three budgets, 0-610. do you think that's a serious proposal? president obama, show us your plan. >> he can't show you a plan he gave you a plan. his plan is not to repeal obamacare. not going to happen. you lost the election, buddy. >> we are out of time. we need to take bob shrum's coffee away, bring everybody back down. we appreciate your time, senator. i love you hashing the numbers with him. he always comes ready to lay it out. >> political reality, it is a very different world than he is laying out. republicans won't consider raising the top rates, it is not your choice anymore. they are going up unless you make a deal that the president accepts. >>> believe it or not, there are some other stories in the world today that don't involve the fisc
republicans have put forward budgets, voted for them, willing to be held accountable. democrats have not. president obama has not. >> you won't vote for them. >> nor have any democrats. >> democrats have voted for those budgets and supported those budgets. >> zero to 610 is the vote total of the last three votes on his last three budgets, 0-610. do you think that's a serious proposal? president obama, show us your plan. >> he can't show you a plan he gave you a...
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president obama put out his plan. the republicans rejected it. the republicans put out a plan yesterday, and the president rejected it. what should we make of this? >> reporter: well, right now it shows at least publicly both sides are fully entrenched in not wanting to budge on some very specific issues. the president wanting taxes to go up on wealthy americans, those extension only for middle class americans. republicans saying no way at all, and beyond that while they might have some agreement on other issues, those remain the sticking points. i did hear from an administration official a short time ago who told me no update whatsoever when i asked whether or not there would be some counteroffer, i guess, the counteroffer from republicans. so that remains the big sticking point, and it appears that until there's some movement on that, there really won't be an agreement. >> and before you go, i understand speaker boehner and the president were at a holiday reception and, well, what happened? >> well, you know, as you know what happens every year
president obama put out his plan. the republicans rejected it. the republicans put out a plan yesterday, and the president rejected it. what should we make of this? >> reporter: well, right now it shows at least publicly both sides are fully entrenched in not wanting to budge on some very specific issues. the president wanting taxes to go up on wealthy americans, those extension only for middle class americans. republicans saying no way at all, and beyond that while they might have some...
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. >>> white house rejects counteroffer from republicans as both sides remain far apart on avoiding the fiscal cliff. president obama meanwhile will meet with some of the nation's governors to talk about the cliff, growth and deficit reduction. and oracle puts the pedal to the metal, the company accelerates difference denied payments and larry ellison is the big winner. it's tuesday, december 4th, 2012, "squawk box" begins right now.
. >>> white house rejects counteroffer from republicans as both sides remain far apart on avoiding the fiscal cliff. president obama meanwhile will meet with some of the nation's governors to talk about the cliff, growth and deficit reduction. and oracle puts the pedal to the metal, the company accelerates difference denied payments and larry ellison is the big winner. it's tuesday, december 4th, 2012, "squawk box" begins right now.
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because obama's not a liberal enough. >> run against -- if there were a republican president. if john kerry were right and mccain is president and you know you go run against president mccain. can you imagine how they would be howling on the right wing? >> bill: they would have been demanding they shut down the network. take their license away, the whole thing. roger does this. the accusation that fox is nothing but the propaganda arm or the broadcast arm of the republican national committee is right. you know. >> by the way, this piece is by bob woodward. this is not some kid. >> bill: i didn't notice that. >> it is by bob woodward. he dug this out somewhere. somebody came to him with it. that adds weight to it. but you know, it is like we've always said, nothing about fox is shocking, you know. so they benefit from the ridiculously low expectations because nobody expects them even to be a serious even-handed news network. >> bill: as a segue, i guess nobody expected a serious counter proposal to come from john boehner. and we didn't get it yesterday. so republicans have been
because obama's not a liberal enough. >> run against -- if there were a republican president. if john kerry were right and mccain is president and you know you go run against president mccain. can you imagine how they would be howling on the right wing? >> bill: they would have been demanding they shut down the network. take their license away, the whole thing. roger does this. the accusation that fox is nothing but the propaganda arm or the broadcast arm of the republican national...
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he remains optimistic that once republicans accept that there is no deal without an acknowledgment and acceptance that rates have to go up on he remains optimistic that once high end earners, we can find compromise here. that any to preview for resolve and takes a very important step toward thed
he remains optimistic that once republicans accept that there is no deal without an acknowledgment and acceptance that rates have to go up on he remains optimistic that once high end earners, we can find compromise here. that any to preview for resolve and takes a very important step toward thed